To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. We cant. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? I hope they have. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. And their plan worked. No excuse there. Anyways. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. No way. Do you remember probably about four or five days after I dont. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? What was the justification? It is also very is to clean. It is because she is a high profile person. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. I know several foster parents and social workers. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. #corrupt. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. She folded it neatly around her arm. They are still part of their birth family. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. She claimed she . If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Halo Infinite. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. I did not shoot my children.. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. It was known as Manic Depression. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. Q. Probably a 911 button. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Imagine the ones there for years. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Did she act like a average person? Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. I am just curious. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. Not in this case. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. 6. Thats food for thought. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Dr. Obrecht Learns if She's a Bone Marrow Match for Willow Plus, Nikolas' Whereabouts Are Revealed. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. Basically then at that http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. This is not my scenario Tasha. I will post it when I get it. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. I followed the trial. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. The lack of balance and objectivity. Regina, I love your comment! While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). No. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? I would say so. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? It should be removed from the blog. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. They rarely get a break. She should of been sentenced to death. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. Is Diane really a threat anymore? But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? Everyone deserves peace. As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Oh my. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. This whole case is flawed. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasn't ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. You didnt know that?? Do you remember a couple of days after that, December I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com Thank you Lise. The whole case is crazy. I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. It simply states the facts of the case. Diane did not get a fair trial. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. She was the prosecutions only hope. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? That hurt our family deeply. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. It is said that they didn't go to Steve because he wasn't a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. Q. Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. lol. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. This does not make her innocent. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. 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